Diskuse: Fiat oznámil výsledky hospodaření, investoři znepokojeni vývojem zadlužení a likvidity

Je videt, ze nemas prehled skym si mela rozhovor pred XY tydny!

A4 2TDI saloon Sport Line ;-)

se OMLOUVÁM! Já toho docela HODNĚ "napovídám" a byť kdesi (hluboko/daleko) v mozečku náš "rozhovor" uložený mám v kolonce ODPOVĚĎ já "prázdno" (měla) ...
Už VíM - ta "předokolka" (přiznávám - asi PROTO mi to "vyšumnělo" - ještě jednou "sorry" ;-) )
Pěkný den
:-)

Verim, ze Bristol by jsi nezapomela >:D

Přiznávám - toť PRAVDA!
PS: Ale NEjen Bristol .. (já to NEmyslím nějak "urážlivě/zle", ale nemáte "zu obyč." sen?
Pěkný den a "lepší" sen(-ny) do let příštích přeji :-)

Ja mam rok - rok a pul stare auto, takze rozhodne sen se mi splnil! Dals isen je za 5 let koupit neco jineho...mozna japonce.

Porsche discreetly began buying VW options in 2005, when it first took a 20% stake in the company. Many of those options are believed to be priced below €200 and in some cases even below €100, allowing Porsche to pocket the difference when VW's shares are much higher. That could add up to billions of euros at current prices if the options are exercised.

In the previous fiscal year ended July 31, 2007, Porsche said it made €3.59 billion in pretax profit from stock-options transactions, more than it earned from the sale of cars.

The weekend disclosure by Porsche that it was gunning for a 75% stake in VW forced investors who sold VW shares short in recent weeks and months to reverse gear and buy shares to cover bets that the price would fall. In the process, hedge funds lost more than $20 billion, according to some market estimates.

Despite Wednesday's downturn, VW's share price is still more than double Friday's close of €210.85, leaving short sellers on the hook for major losses. Investors say Porsche misled financial markets in recent months by indicating it wouldn't aim for a 75% stake.

Dealbreaker speculates that Porsche has earned €6 billion in profits. Good for them, I say.

Now, hedge funds are whining that they have losses and may go belly up.

The London-based Alternative Investment Management Association (Aima), the hedge fund trade body, said yesterday that it planned to ask the European Union to clamp down on a controversial German legal loophole that allowed Porsche secretly to take its VW stake to almost 75 per cent.

Andrew Baker, Aima deputy chief executive, said: “This sounds somewhat irregular. If you tried that in this country, there would be a number of questions to be answered.”

He said losses for hedge funds were likely to be less than a tenth of the forecast €20billion. “There are funds hanging on by their fingertips because of redemptions for whom this could be the last straw,” he said.

The casualty list of hedge funds hit by the Porsche squeeze on VW grew yesterday as it emerged that Steven Cohen's SAC Capital and Och Ziff, and Perry Capital, a key financier in Malcolm Glazer's takeover of Manchester United, were among the losers. Greenlight Capital, run by David Eindhorn, Marshall Wace, York Capital and Glenview Capital are also among about a hundred hedge funds thought to have made losses.

What is particularly amusing is that many of these Masters of the Universe who charge egregious fees and would have no problem imperiling the future of the world by raping the financial system so they can create dynastic wealth for themselves did not understand the rules by which they were playing.

Germany's stock market regulators are the laughing stock of Europe.

It is embarrassing that Porsche could have been allowed to build a secret options stake in Volkswagen equivalent to 32 per cent of its market value, on top of an existing holding of 43 per cent, with no disclosure. A false market of epic proportions was allowed.

But that does not mean those short-selling hedge funds nursing nasty losses have real grounds for complaint.

They knew perfectly well, or should have known, the lacuna in the German rules and the fact that such positions could be kept secret. Given the ferocity with which they fought proposals to close precisely this loophole in the UK, they have no excuse for ignorance and little cause for sympathy.

Is this not why hedge funds demand outrageous fees from suckers investors? Are they not paid more in a year than a small city is paid in a decade to discover and exploit such loopholes in the regulations?

I would like to know if there were any German hedge funds caught in this short squeeze. Volkswagen is the most heavily shorted stock in Germany. Did the German money managers know about this rule in their market while the "dumb money", i.e. "foreigners," not know? (It is axiomatic in financial markets that foreigners are usually the "dumb money," even when we are the foreigners.)

Yeah, hedge funds are worth their 2 & 20 alright.

Tak tam je přesně psané,Porsche vydělalo na akciích,ještě jednou Porsche nikoli VW.Shoduje se to s tím co jsem psal.

... "hlásím se" - já to TAKÉ říkala (já chci TAKÉ "pochvalu") ... ;-)
PS: Porsche "umí" a jeho "propojení" s vw "chápu", ale NElíbí se mi ;-\
PPS: Tedy NElíbí se mi, neb další "podivná" technická propojení typu Cayenne V6 TDi očekávám a to můj žaloudek jen TĚŽKO přeTĚŽKO tráví ...
Ale i tak: Pěkný den :-) (končím, přepínám/vypínám - cca na týden)

Fajn tak jsem se preklep a omlouvam se, a ujasnil to v pozdejsich clancich!

Princip byl vysvetlik Kylie jak se daji vydelat penize na akciich, cili jak Porsche je vydelalo!

To je v poho.Hlavně že jsme se dobrali k jádru věci a časem to stejně bude jedna firma.

no vzhledem k tomu ze ja otom nesnim, ja sem zastance benzinaku a proto mam benzinaka tak spis ty snis otom ze nekteri vyrobci aut jsou natom dobre a tva veta "borci již vyvinuli, vyrábějí a PRODÁVAJÍ" bude asi zapsana do dejin >:D navic americke hybridy jsou a staci se podivat do ceniku jednotlivejch znacek ;-)

a prosimte us konecne napis v jake bance delas ;-)

Máš pravdu, americké hybridy jsou skutečnost, velká trojka vyrábí suprový auta po kterých všichni toužíme, banky nepůjčují protože nemají peníze jo a Marťani fakt existujou.

Na Mars(u) míváme jen mezipřistání .. (to já jen "propořádek") ;-)

No já jsem na Marsu pár let dělal (jmenuje se tak jedna budova na Praze 10).

ty si bud delas srandu, nebo ses uplnej idiot co vzivote nebyl na strankach nejakeho americkeho vyrobce aut >:D

Chevy Malibu Hybrid - $26225
Chevy Tahoe Hybrid - $51405
Cadi Escalade Hybrid - $72525
GMC Yukon Hybrid - $50920

to je jen vycet Hybridu prodavanych v USA
;-) muzes si je najit v cenikach stejne jako kazdej jinej ;-)

Suprový káry, spešl ten cadillac, ten mě dostal. Odpor vzduchu čisté krychle, váha parní lokomotivy (26 q), spotřeba to je největší pecka, o 25% nižší spotřeba než 6 litrový čvachták od GM no prostě hybrid po americku. Za 1,5 mega fakt dost dobrý... Jo a už nebudu polemizovat s některými kolegy tady na serveru, že tdička jsou nejúspornější káry, Q7 V12 TDI je proti téhle traverze střízlík s nízkou spotřebou.