Diskuse: Ženeva živě: Honda Civic concept

U Leona jsou první dojmy ze Ženevy od Jardy a Bertoňáka

... predek jako z Mercury ranych 90 let, zadek zase jako z maleho Pontiacu, no, a schovane zadni kliky ma uz dneska taky kazdy, navic to kazi linii auta ...

... predek jak z Mercury ranych 90 let, zadek zase jak z maleho Pontiacu, no, a schovane zadni kliky ma uz dneska taky kazdy ... navic kazi linii auta .

po B stlpik jasna honda accord pre americky trh. zvysok moze byt, aj ked ta zadna partia s tym vypuklym sklom, ktore ma byt akoze nejaka hrana .. zadne svetla su ponate super. dufam, ze budu cele z led diod. a tie druhe dvere? asi by som dal prednost trojdverovej verzii nakolko im tam moc nesedia.

ve clanku je zmineno, ze sedan byl spolu s 3dverovym hatchbackem predstaven jako prvni, to je omyl toto auto je 5dverovy hatchback (klika zadnich dveri je skryta ve sloupku) a novy sedan jeste asi malokdo videl, na Chicago Motor Show zacatkem unora 2005 bylo totiz predstaveno kupe (2dverovy model). Vice info je treba na
www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id…
www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id…
nebo www.hondaclub.cz
Tak to jen pro uvedeni na pravou miru

Jinak to auto je moc zajimave, progresivni sportovni design (a to se jedn o 5dverovy model, jaky potom bude 3dverovy hatchback?) a navic se to nicemu nepodoba. Finalni model se asi bude trochu lisit.. S tim motorem 2.2 i-CTDi si dovolim odhadnout maximalku 218kmh a spotrebu kolem 4,8 litru, vychazim z hodnot pro Accord Sedan (210kmh a 5,4l). Ale nejvetsi bomba je nove Coupe.

toto je teda pěkně odfláknutá reportáž - prý ženeva živě. Tyto informace byly již 28.2. zveřejněny na www.vtec.net včetně fotografií, a kdyby si autor článku dal tu námahu a přečetl si alespoň jaké tam mají být motory, zjistil by že 1,7 VTEC2 se konat nebude. Natož zmínka o tom, že byl představen civic 4d neboli sedan. Toho snad kromně samotných konstruktérů nikdo nezahlédl a nevyfotil.
Vážený pane redaktore, fotografii, kterou jste zveřejnil je CIVIC 5d a před nedávnem byl v USA na výstavě v Chicagu představen Civic coupe si - jakási verze R. Příště než budete chtít zveřejnit nějaké nové oslňující informace o Hondě, doporučuji kopírovat alespoň pravdivé informace, tzn. podívat se alespoň na www.vtec.net nebo minimálně na www.hondaclub.cz , to pokud neumíte angclicky a chcete to přímo v češtině.
PS: výroky typu kdo použil chromovanou pětiúhelníkovou masku jako první jsou naprosto od věci, mimochodem staré civicy 3 a 4D měly tuto masku již od roku 1996, ale to Vám již pane redaktore asi uniklo že, první byla totiž mazda 6, že? Zveřejňování kdo přišel první s tím a nebo s tím mi příjde zcela nemístné - apropo kdo udělal první auto se čtyřmi koly a volantem? a proč od něj všichni ostatní výrobci kopírují ty 4 kola a ten volant?

2 - CIVIC CONCEPT

• World premiere of next generation Civic Concept
• New standard for premium C-segment
• Emotional and sporty image
• Engines will include 2.2 i-CTDi plus petrol variants
• Built at Honda’s European manufacturing plant in Swindon, UK

The next generation Civic Concept is shown in the form of a 5-door hatchback. The sculpted design implies a more sporty nature to Honda’s best ever selling model. The 8th generation promises to deliver class exceeding performance as well as high fuel efficiency across all engines, which will take the model into “Premium” C-segment in Europe.

Honda believes that the next generation Civic will set new standards in the ever demanding C segment, particularly in the premium sector. Wider and lower than the current Civic, the next Civic will continue to be built in Honda’s European manufacturing plant in Swindon, UK. The award winning i-CTDi engine will be part of the Civic line-up and will be assembled at the UK factory. The expected output for the Civic i-CTDi is expected to be a class leading 140 PS with a maximum torque of 340 Nm. In addition to the new i-CTDi engine, there will also be petrol engine variants.

The concept car on display shows the intention of moving the new Civic into a more sporty, emotional and fun to drive direction. The new engines will provide class exceeding performance in all areas and it is a firm belief that the next generation will set new standards for the C-segment.

Civic is the best selling model that Honda has had globally. Over 16 million Civics have been produced and sold around the world for the past 33 years, which accounts for 30% of total Honda sales. Civic has frequently been the carrier for Honda introducing new technology for mass consumption, and the next generation will be no exception. Currently, Civics are produced in 11 countries and sold in approximately 160 countries.

skoda, ze v diskuzi nad nepovedenym clankem uplne zaniklo co si o tom aute myslite ..

Mr. Toshiyuki said that this car is no longer the “good for everybody” approach of the past Civics. It had been designed to suit people that are really looking for a sporty driver’s car which is still highly functional. Mr. Tatsuya added that people who were looking for a more functional and family oriented car have the FR-V. The Civic will take a new direction and position itself in the premium sports oriented market.

...“We wanted to give it a sporty and high-tech look”. I think there is little doubt that they have succeeded in both aspects...This concept is really aggressive, from any point of view...Whether it suits your tastes or not, the 8th generation Civic will be a car that will turn many heads around town; something not so common in the compact class... This Civic really looks like nothing on the road today, and it shall remain unique for some time, since their closest rivals have just redesigned their cars (VW Golf, Renault Meganne, Ford Focus). It is quite clear that Honda is taking a risky path, and that they are not looking for Ford Focus buyers. Time will show if they are right or wrong.

There will be a 3-door version, but it will come later, and will be almost identical to the 5-door one. (Right now the 3 and 5 door Civics have different size and style).

Most likely, we (Europe) will receive the Coupe from the US, maybe even something close to the Civic Si. That could be Honda’s answer to European enthusiasts, and fill the place left by the Prelude and the Integra.

The Civic is really going upscale, and there will be nothing under 140Hp. SOHC VTEC engines will not be available anymore, and there will be no smaller Diesel engine than the current 2.2L. When the past generation Civic was released, there were only 3 petrol versions (90Hp, 110Hp, and 200Hp for the CTR), and one Diesel version of 100Hp derived from Isuzu.

There won’t be a direct injection i-VTEC engine for Europe, since gasoline quality is so poor in most countries (the sulphur content is too high).

The new Civic IMA will arrive in Europe in spring 2006. It will be the sedan version sold in North America and have a new generation IMA powertrain based on an i-VTEC engine, with significantly more power than the current version. But it should remain affordable (it is not a top of the range model as the Accord IMA in the US). From a styling point of view he told me: “just think about the Civic Si concept with 4 doors”.

They still knew little about the R version, but there will be a new Civic Type R for Europe. They would only say that it will have at least 200Hp, maybe more, but nothing sure, and it will be fitted with the same safety equipment as the rest of the Civic line-up. So it’s fairly certain that this new Type R will be heavier than the current generation. Hearing the Honda man, I am not sure that the new R will really have a pure R treatment. In any case, it will be a three door.

So far, there are no plans to bring any hatch to North America but, “there were not any plans to bring the past Civic Si hatch either”. In any case, given the new European Civic's direction, it would be difficult to integrate it in the NA Civic line-up. If it finally arrives to NA, it will be more likely as an Acura, and would be a 3 door hatch. But please, note that this is merely speculation on my part – the Honda rep did not know anything apart from the fact that so far Honda is not bringing a hatch to NA.

He confirmed to me that what we could see behind the tinted glass was the production interior. In fact, almost everything was hidden, but from what I could see (sorry, no pics), I can tell you that “high-tech” is the best word to describe it. So if you were surprised by the exterior design, I bet you’ll be shocked when the interior comes to light. If anything, it reminded me most of the 4th generation prelude.

There is no way that the Legend will have IMA under the bonnet when it arrives to Europe, and there is little chance we’ve seen anything different from the 3.5L which is now available in Japan and the US. In contrast, the European spec Legend will have almost all the features of the JDM version (apart from the Intelligent Night Vision System). The Legend of the Honda stand seemed already fitted with everything, including voice recognition, card-key entrance, CMS, HIDS, cooled front seats, and so on. I have to say that I was really impressed by the interior of the new Legend, and that after spending a day sitting on many luxury sedans, it has little to envy to any of them, but this is a personal opinion.

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